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I am rather sick and tired of having no money, even though I know that a) this is mostly All My Own Fault and b)I am not actually hard up compared to many people I know. I am, however you look at it, not quite living within my income, so I should like to throw the question as wide as I can and ask - what should I or anyone do to live within my income. Obvious ideas are welcome: even though I am usually the one giving this advice to other people, I seem not to be very good at it myself...
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posted by [identity profile] xquiq.livejournal.com at 02:17pm on 01/08/2005
  • Packed lunches - much cheaper and often tastier. I often take soup into work.

  • Avoid buying coffee etc., from coffee shops. Maybe try taking your own drinks into work if you buy cans of Diet Coke or whatever - especially if you have access to a fridge.

  • Read news online (I often buy newspapers, but usually BBC online is more than adequate.)

  • Invite people round for drinks instead of going to the pub.

  • Don't go shopping unless you've got something specific to buy.



Like yourself, I can see the obvious solutions, but don't always succeed in implementing them myself!
 
posted by [identity profile] purplerabbits.livejournal.com at 02:30pm on 01/08/2005
I do take soup into work more than half the time, but then every so often I get bored and splurge on Pret sushi or similar. I also spend way too much on diet coke. Work provides free chilled water and coffee so I should use that more often.

I should invite people round to drinks, although the lfat is small and I am somewhat paranoid that they won't come...
 
posted by [identity profile] ajva.livejournal.com at 02:20pm on 01/08/2005
Have you tried keeping a detailed spending diary for a month, just to see where your money actually goes?

Also, do you keep an updateable budget written down somewhere, so you can predict how much cash you'll have available at any point in the monthly cycle? For example, I keep an excel spreadsheet at work for this purpose. That way, even if my bank balance reads +£lots when I've just been paid, then I know I really only have +£sliver of money to spend, because of £X, £Y and £Z etc., standing/one-off/planned charges that'll come out before I'm paid again.

Sorry if all this is in the sucking eggs domain...
 
posted by [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com at 02:21pm on 01/08/2005
Hmmm. It's tricky, isn't it?

The thing I find helps the most is doing grocery shopping on a weekly basis rather than going to the shops every day. You end up buying less as you don't have as many opportunities for impulse-buys.

What do you do about lunches at work? Do you have time in the mornings to make sandwiches, or do you have facilities for heating up soup or doing baked potatoes? Cheaper than getting sandwiches from the shop/delivery people and again, there's no opportunity for buying more than you really want or getting a 'meal deal' you'll give half of away.

Check that you're on the cheapest possible tariffs for gas, electricity etc - switch if you find a cheaper supplier. And arrange to pay as many things as possible by direct debit - many companies offer discounts for this and it spreads the more expensive periods for heating etc over the whole year so you can budget better rather than getting surprised by a high bill.

I don't know, it's hard to give advice about this sort of thing without sounding patronising or like someone's mum. I hope you find ways to sort the problem out, anyway. Good luck.
 
posted by [identity profile] cairmen.livejournal.com at 02:28pm on 01/08/2005
Spreadsheets are your friend - they're what I use whenever I run over budget. Make as detailed a spreadsheet as possible of your spending habits, referencing your bank statement, credit card statements, and if possible a log of what you've bought in the last week or so, and likewise of your income. Ways to save money will then present themselves.

From my experience, over-spend tends to happen because I'm not *aware* enough of what's going where, not for any other reason.
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posted by [identity profile] nickys.livejournal.com at 02:41pm on 01/08/2005
Doing the sums on a regular basis is boring and annoying, but it does help.

Work out what you've spent and what you could cut down on. And keep doing it every month, because otherwise it's too easy to slip back into bad habits.


Oh and come round and see me for coffee sometime if you like... Much cheaper than a coffee shop. :-)
 
posted by [identity profile] adjectivemarcus.livejournal.com at 02:43pm on 01/08/2005
Try leaving the house for work with no money for a week, and notice where it's an inconvenience and where it's a real problem. I say this because I came in within my means last month by not having a cash card for most of it, thanks to my stupid bank...
 
posted by [identity profile] gingiber.livejournal.com at 03:02pm on 01/08/2005
Everyone else seems to have it about covered, but I do find spreadsheets help.

What I have tried to do with some success is budget what needs to go out every month. Then take the excess and divide it into an amount per week for food and the rest as pocket money.

So at the start of each shopping week, which for some reason for me is friday, I take out the food money for that week and then that is what we live on.

At the start of each month we both get pocket money and if / when we run out of it we can't buy toys / sweets / clothes etc for the rest of the month. This does sometimes make one feel somewhat hard up but at least you know you have money for food and all the bills are paid. Also setting as much up on DD as possible helps so your expenditures are consistent over the months and you don't get hit with big bills every now and then.
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posted by [identity profile] skibbley.livejournal.com at 03:19pm on 01/08/2005
I find that writing down everything I spend for a week or two gives me a better idea of where the money is going and that I actually spend far less because I feel I need to justify it a little bit more to myself since I'm writing it down.
 
posted by [identity profile] lovelybug.livejournal.com at 03:35pm on 01/08/2005
Everyone else has said very sensible things. I'd add that when I've had to do this (like when I started uni), I cut back possibly too much for a couple of months - only buying essentials to live and that sort of thing. That gave me a really good idea of exactly how much I had disposable, and I could then divide it between things I wanted to do, luxuries, saving for hols etc.

Now my finances are very muddled, mainly because I generally do have enough disposable without having to think about it too much. Keep meaning to look at it, but *insert not-very-good excuse here* I do have a nagging worry that it will come back to bite me in the arse sometime soon
 
posted by [identity profile] xquiq.livejournal.com at 03:49pm on 01/08/2005
I'm in a similar situation now, having started Real Work {tm} last September and with house-moving expenses I suspect it is about to bite me on the arse.

I wish I'd looked at my monthly spend sooner, rather than a panicked:

'I have no money and I spent how much in Thresher / random clothes shop / buying chocolate?',

which is roughly where I am now.
 
posted by [identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com at 04:00pm on 01/08/2005
The 'obvious' solution is to increase your income but not your expenditure. There are plenty of people offering ways of doing this (including several people from West Africa, it would seem), but I'm not sure they're sure-fire wins.

My boring answer would be to work out where the bulk of your money goes, and then see what scope there is for reducing the spending on each item - and also how you can rearrange your habits so that it requires extra effort for you to spend money you don't want to (e.g. if you're prone to spending too much when you go out, you could try going out with only the cash you're prepared to spend on you). Some things you can't do much about in the short term (e.g. rent/mortgage) but others you can (mobile phone bill).

Not that this is actually much help. I do this periodically myself, but rarely make dramatic savings as a result.


I've more-or-less managed to live within my means so far, but if I knew what the trick of it was I'd write a book and make millions - and make millions happy in to the bargain. Part of it is probably having had the good luck to have only had a small number of periods of time where my income didn't monotonically increase, coupled with being fixed in my ways and hence reluctant to change my habits, which means I don't instantly spend more when I earn more. But I think a bigger part of it is having an almost morbid fear of debt. Whenever things get a bit tight, I can't forget about it and it casts a terrible pall over everything. This makes it pretty damn miserable, but it does make it easier to remember not to buy stuff.
 
posted by [identity profile] thekumquat.livejournal.com at 05:13pm on 01/08/2005
Difficult to suggest without knowing much about where your money is going, but it depends where your main money drains are that are amenable to being reduced.
Eg do you have a mortgage? If it's not competitive you could be wasting £200 a month, which could be saved by one evening's chat with a free financial adviser. Making your own lunch diligently to save £30 a month or so isn't in the same league.
Interest on credit cards etc - costs a fortune for nothing. Look into transferring to a lower rate or paying off
Mobile phone - are you paying for minutes you don't use?
Broadband - now available for £15/month compared to £30 a year ago - can you prod your company into reducing your rate?
Car - do you have one, do you need it? Shop around for insurance if you possibly can. Compare cost of cabs to cost of running car.
Possessions - do you buy DVDs/CDs/games/hardback books the minute they come out and watch them once? Could be much cheaper to rent and then buy when they've been out a while and you decide you really want them.
Getting wasted and buying the whole pub a round/going to posh bar/giving £100 to a beggar - only solution is not to get wasted!

Look at your last few bank/credit card statements, put your spending into categories, and see where it's going. If that all seems respectable, then it must be your cash that's vanishing and you'll have to write down where you spend it.

I've found the only way to save is to automatically transfer money after pay day into a savings account, and then allocate the rest of my current account to all the various categories of life, including "new books/games/toys/clothes" and "having fun/restaurant meals/theatre". I need those categories as otherwise I get too uptight about saving money for a rainy day, and I really don't want to end up dying with lots of cash but not having had a life.
 
posted by [identity profile] purplerabbits.livejournal.com at 05:56pm on 01/08/2005
The mortgage is new so I'm locked in for a while and I'm not paying interest on credit cards at the moment, also no car - this is partly why I can't understand where the money goes!

I do probably spend too much on DVDs etc, though.
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posted by [personal profile] lovingboth at 09:06pm on 01/08/2005
All that sounds good - you've got two options: increase income or decrease expenditure. The problem with the former is that when it happens, it's very easy to increase expenditure. Living on benefits can be easier than living on a reasonable wage, because you know you don't have the money to do various things and you get discounts on some of the rest.

Spending money on new DVDs etc is one potential saving: today's £29.99 boxed collectors edition set is tomorrow's two for £5 bargain bin fodder (and, if you're that way inclined, typically the day before's BitTorrent download...) If you must have something, copy it and sell it while it still has a second-hand value.

Not having a card is indeed a money-saving method. For the past couple of years, I've had no idea where my credit cards are - I know they're somewhere here, because no-one else is spending on them - and my credit card expenditure dropped to just the couple of autodebits on them.
 
posted by [identity profile] lilitufire.livejournal.com at 11:04pm on 01/08/2005
I think you're probably well up already on what I'd suggest, namely keeping a strict budget and seeing where it goes and cooking lunches at home.

Try and motivate yourself to sell some of the clothing on eBay? Even do 5 at a time or so, to break it down into little chunks?

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